they have to get more mainstream america. >> they're criminals. nazis were not, the people at randy's camps were not soldiers, they were criminaled. we treated them as such. that's what he deserves and he should be getting as such. >> larry: do you think he will not get a fair trial, nancy? what is your concern if he's tried as a terrorist? >> i believe he has not earned the right to have the same protections that an american citizen has. there is an obvious reason why there is a disagreement here. you have people by and large with a military background saying this needs to be treated differently and this can't be treated like a common thug. there is a greater intent here, there is a greater threat here. as horrible as it is, when one human being decides to take the life of another human being, it is different from when a nation decides to destroy another nation. our country and our culture are under attack, and if we do not correctly assess the threat, we will not correctly protect ourselves. >> again, in other words, if we can't be protected fro